Summit Journal Chat

Rose, whether it was outside or Nat Geo Adventure I can't recall, but I think that it had to do with the coverage of finding Mallory. I'll try to dig it up off the shelves.

JK's Under The Banner Of Heaven was my holiday tent book last summer. Absolutely brilliant work and ranks with Into The Wild as his best work. I hope he was able to draw some pride from it.

I sent a picture to the summit? I can't remember doing that. LOL. I have been lucky enough to have been involved in at least three other mini-summits and agree that they qualify for a chapter... in particular the one with Pbob - but that's all I'm sayin' 'bout that.

As for Quoakka, we talked a lot about the Trango experiment - amazing for its time. However it was the Olympic and sailing coverage that blew me away.

Hi BBob. Thanks. Jobs' comments were good to let kids know that, at least in this country, a failure or two isn't the end of the story and sometimes can be transforming. Even a conventional type like me has seen that happen. ;-). Our definitions of "success" can be too rigid sometimes and kids can get down on themselves if they don't fit into those square boxes early on.

Hey, Bruce, I remember the Quokka site. It was terrific. I remember their coverage of a group that included Alex Lowe who were the first to scale the Trango Tower. The guys would climb during the day and post on the website in their tents or on the wall in the evenings. It seemed like another internet adventure when they forgot that they would be reading what each other wrote. And they wrote, not always flatteringly, about each other. Needless to say there were some hard feelings and for a while it was touch and go as to whether the group would stay together to finish the job. But it was a stunning site for its time - my old clunker would crash at least once each time it tried to load it. I'll bet the behind the scenes on that one would make a great story.

Do you remember what the article was about that talked about SJC? Was it in Outside? I recall that the New York Times once listed the site in their list of internet sites to learn about Everest. I think we popped a few buttons on that one. I think the "Union" rates a chapter (or at least a paragraph or two). You didn't make it but we had yours and Terry's picture on the table.

There was a piece on Good Morning America this week about an outlaw Mormon polygamist sect in Utah with one of those leaders who has everyone thinking he is next to God. This guy is now on the run (wanted by the police) and guess who is trying to find him - none other than JK who wrote a book last year about these sects. This guy seems like a real sleazy character - but I don't exactly recall the details (see that, good long term memory but poor short term - seems like senility creeping up) but it sounded like JK felt this guy needed to be locked up.

Best regards,
Rose

Good post Rose. Tim is a rebel - I'm sure he like Jobs. And magoo is a dang liberal - so she likes rebels.

If memory serves I believe the old SJC was quoted in an Everest article. Or in might have been the old Mountainzone forum before Quoaka.

I met a guy a while back who worked for Quoaka back in its hayday - he had some great stories from behind the scenes.

Hi Everyone,
I've always thought that Outside would want to do an article on the old SJC but alas they abandoned us. I think that was one of the first real internet groups that hinted at the sociologic changes that the internet age has wrought. ( We haven't had any marriages or scandals - that I know of at least - so we may not be racy enough for any publication today. On the otherhand maybe an investigative reporter might turn up some interesting tidbits) I would imagine that we could connect back up with most of the people (6 degrees of separation and all that). I think Bruce has a point about attribution and identification, etc. But maybe one of this very inventive group could figure out something -with Bruce's cautions in mind. :-)

Thanks, magoo. I have never been an Apple fan - mostly because my first computer at work was a PC in a instituion that was all Macintosh. I needed to use a program for my work that was only available in Windows. And I took such abuse - even though the IT group did manage to service it pretty well. So Jobs is really only a name to me. I am glad he is now in good shape. And is sort of representative of the creative types who just don't fit in. He seems to have been smart enough to make it doing it his way. But other folks marginally less talented or lucky find themselves in homeless shelters - never quite being able to get it together. A lot of what he said was very insightful. But I was at meeting last month of a professional society that is working on some vaccines to prevent cervical cancer, which is rampant in the third world. The society has been a small, sleepy little group that used to have it's meetings in college dorms, etc to save money. But now that breakthroughs seem imminent they are getting savy enough or interesting enough to get some finanical sponsorship. And one of the sponsors - the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation (see there is a tie in from where this paragraph started). The Gates Foundation really is doing wonderful things in it's emphasis on health care in the 3rd World. I have to say that I admire the fact that they have looked for the greatest need in directing their charity. (Don't worry - I am not getting a cent - this is not a paid advertisement). :-) It may be that the Apple folks are doing good things with their money as well, I truly don't know. But Bill Gates and Microsoft get a lot of bad press for a variety of reasons (some of them valid) but in other ways they are really doing great things. :-)

Best regards,
Rose

magoo - thanks for that Jobs link - great

At one point I know that JayE was saving the old posts - but that was before the several meltdowns at the old Outside site.

Hi GBS - Wow, that was many computers ago. I don't know if I still have the web pages or not. I'd have to dig around in my archives to see if I could find them. As far as the old posts go, someone was saving them but I don't remember his name and I know he is not a current member here. Maybe if I find an old email address list I will remember who it was.

Here is the next trick - getting releases from the individuals who posted as well as their real identities and not their non d'webs. Not trying to be a downer, or a buzz-kill, but you have to cover your butt in situations like this.

Well then, let's do it. I bet Carrie still has those Web pages.
I heard that there is going to be some kind of distributed printing. One would download and print a book on demand. I don't know if such a system is in operation yet. The new machines would be at places like Kinko's or libraries.

extreme editing? sounds good--probably the only "extreme" endeavor currently available to me.

Hello all.

GBS: Great idea. It would take some extreme editing though.

A little Steve Jobs tidbit for you all - his Stanford commencement speech: http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=152625&cid=12810404

I'm glad to see that there is a great heart inside the man.

I liked the "lee" one.
We should do it.
I have not seen a book like this before.
If we are interested in reading this journal I think that others will be also.
They are just like us - aren't they?
Well, we could edit it.
Next year will be the 10th and we could help make a change for the better.
Why not?

Tim - It sounds like we share the same packing dilemmas. We managed to get through ours this past weekend and now our boats and gear are all loaded and ready to go! Sorry to hear about your continuing injuries.

Bruce - Sounds like you had a wonderful trip. You and a photographer, huh? Do I sense an article in the works? We've paddled in some pretty heavy winds but I haven't done any dicey crossings like you mention. My seasickness wristbands are permanently stored in one of my PFD pockets just in case!

Rose - Thanks for your Everest summary. I haven't had a chance to keep up at all so I appreciate you doing so for me.

And the working titles could be:

When Wes Was More
On The Lee Side of The Storm
Typos and Too Many Elipsises
Hot Bodies. Cold Snow
Much Ado About Nothing
Why E-News Hates Us

Seriously GBS, a fun idea but I don't think the ranting on here or the old site would qualify for a book deal.